Quatrux
Mar 5 2007, 04:24 PM
I just made a search for a KHTML based browser on Windows OS and found one project which wasn't updated since 2004 to port KHTML to Windows, but through Wikipedia I found Swift, the current version is 0.2, I just downloaded it and tested and was amazed, that it shows the pages very well, even sometimes they break and the GUI itself needs to be updated, what you want, it is version 0.2! For all the web designers and people using Windows it is a good practice to see how their pages look in Safari and Konqueror, due to Swift is based on Webkit, Safari on MacOS and Webkit is based on KHTML, Konqueror, OmniWeb etc. So I guess we will going to have another browser in our stock for Windows.. the installation is nice and simple, the GUI looks very similar, almost the same, as on PHP Designer! you can get Swift here: http://www.getswift.orgQUOTE Swift is a Web Browser for Microsoft Windows based around the WebKit rendering engine. It's extremely fast! Swift is backed behind some hard work by a team of developers.
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wutske
Mar 6 2007, 10:10 PM
what good is a beta staged browser for developement ? It of course handy, but it's not realy needed as long as you follow the rules (W3C and all that stuff). Doing a double check in a virtual pc running linux/macos could even be better. But before I digg it deeper in the ground, I'll first test it (after putting my memory back in my pc so I can run my virtualpc again, no more testing on this windows  )
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yuhuu
Apr 15 2007, 02:56 PM
if it is faster than opera, and shows everything as IE, I will definitely start using it. Since I understand that is the kind of browser that runs on macs,It is kind of a necessity to use it and to try every web page in that browser..Thanks for the info..I am downloading it, even though it seems to be in beta stage,,I will try it...
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yuhuu
Apr 15 2007, 03:37 PM
Well,,I just wasted 2 hours of my Sunday morning,,trying to find a working download site for Swift,,and there is none..I googlle it out many times with different key words and all would end up in a wiki page,,that does not explain what to do once you have the.msg or .msi extension file...I read the description of the swift in may pages and it seems to be totally different as FF, IE and O,,,It has a different rendering engine,,which gives it a lot of advantages..If there is a kind soul,,It would be appreciated to have a tutorial on how to install Swift...Thank you
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WeaponX
Apr 15 2007, 04:16 PM
QUOTE Well,,I just wasted 2 hours of my Sunday morning,,trying to find a working download site for Swift,,and there is none..I googlle it out many times with different key words and all would end up in a wiki page,,that does not explain what to do once you have the.msg or .msi extension file...I read the description of the swift in may pages and it seems to be totally different as FF, IE and O,,,It has a different rendering engine,,which gives it a lot of advantages..If there is a kind soul,,It would be appreciated to have a tutorial on how to install Swift...Thank you This is not to be sarcastic or anything, but are you kidding me?  You do have Windows installed right? If you run that Swift installer, it should have asked you if you want to install the Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 if you don't have it already. Either click Yes to that prompt to install (if it asks, which I assume it did since you have problems installing it) or go directly to the Microsoft site with the link to the .NET Framework v2.0: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=enIf for some reason you were not even able to get a prompt that asks you to install the .NET Framework and it just closes or doesn't work, it might be a Windows Installer issue. Try installing Windows Installer 3.0: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=en
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sparkx
Apr 15 2007, 05:47 PM
It seems cool and the speed only makes it better. However I look for more then just speed in a browser. Does it have anti-virius or anti-popup toolbars or does it at least allow google toolbar. I have dowloaded windows framework before but I could never figure it out. It seems intresting and sounds like a nice and small browser. Looks good if you really don't want anything other then a web browser. Thanks, Sparkx
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yuhuu
Apr 17 2007, 12:54 AM
I apologize,,I thought msg,,was the same as msi,,,I went to the Webkit download,,and I could do nothing with it...I thought it was the same as msi,,so I posted...As said before,,,It prompted for net framework,,so I installed it...and after that the swift installation ran smoothly,,,And yes it was fast,,,probably because the different graphics engine...but, it could not reach some domains,,and when I closed it and started again,,a pop said that I needed to reinstall it...I was prepared for that,,since it is an alpha...so, the only words left,,should be...Hey Guys keep the good work...Cheersss
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Quatrux
Apr 17 2007, 05:09 AM
Well, I didn't have any problem installing Swift, yeah it is using Webkit rendering engine, which is a "better"/rewritten KHTML engine.. Anyway, as reading more about Swift, it seems that the development for it is quite slow and there weren't any updates for some time, so don't be bothered to use it as your browser as it is in alpha or whatever version, but it is quite good to test with it your pages, but if you have VMware, I recommend still to but up Linux and check it with Konqueror and ask your friends how it looks on Safari, who has MacOS.
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foolakadugie
Apr 17 2007, 05:25 AM
I used this browser for a short time a few months ago on my linux partition and wasn't very impressed. It didn't seem much faster and it crashed all the time.
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Quatrux
Apr 17 2007, 10:44 PM
QUOTE(foolakadugie @ Apr 17 2007, 08:25 AM)  I used this browser for a short time a few months ago on my linux partition and wasn't very impressed. It didn't seem much faster and it crashed all the time. What you mean? you're talking about Swift on Linux? I think it is a Windows native browser.. but the "latest" news that it will use Mono and some talks about it, as I see their webpage got a little update and a new layout, but a lot of what doesn't work. Anyway of course it might be buggy as the engine isn't even fully ported yet and the software is in alpha stage. ;]
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Quatrux
Jun 12 2007, 05:26 AM
Apple is using KHTML for their Safari web browser, but they remade it a bit and called it Webkit, anyway, don't know if anyone knows yet, but I just saw that Safari is ported to Windows, you can get the public beta by going to apple dot com downloads and downloading it.. Well, it is good that they are porting it, but I never liked using MacOS GUI on Windows, that is way I hate Quick Time on Windows and etc. I installed the public beta of Safari for windows and I didn't have any problems, it is quite fast and sometimes slow, what do you want it is in a beta stage. Download Safari web browser for WindowsIn my opinion, I would rather see Swift as Webkit browser for Windows, even though it is using .NET, nor do I like it, but for me it is better than MacOS GUI on Windows and as I know on Vista .NET applications run much faster.. The best thing which could happen in my opinion, is creating a browser for Windows using the windows port of Webkit and creating a GUI with C++ and QT, even though that is much harder to accomplish and takes more time, but it is much better, due to those browsers won't go to far on Windows and IE, FF and Opera will be the main browsers for Windows users, we will see, but seems to me there are to many browsers  somebody better create a better IRC client for Windows using C++ and QT, due to XChat is slow, mIRC sucks and others I tried also sucks
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xboxrulz
Jun 7 2007, 09:58 PM
The main difference right now is that it uses a faster engine, even faster than Opera's Presto engine. Even Apple uses KHTML in their Safari browser. xboxrulz
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yuhuu
Jun 7 2007, 05:10 PM
Sorry,,for my ignorance,,but then, what is swift different from all the others. I think there is one thing that all the before mentioned browsers share, and that the swift browser uses...I might be wrong but that is what I understood from some readings...Cheerss
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xboxrulz
Jun 6 2007, 10:30 PM
QUOTE(yuhuu @ Apr 24 2007, 04:32 PM)  Dont you guys know about other browsers with different graphics engines...I read somewhere above that all the current browsers, except swift, are using the same graphics engine. This could not be true. I thought they were different. How could Firefox be the same as IE,,or Opera as FF. It gave me a shock. I hope the guys of swift finish their work. If I had money I would give them some, if it would help, because it seems it is a matter of action, and not a matter of viability. Cheers.. IE uses the Trident engine, Firefox uses the Gecko Engine, Opera uses the Presto engine, Swift uses KHTML engine. xboxrulz
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xboxrulz
Jun 6 2007, 10:25 PM
Swift is a pretty good browser. However, using .NET is not the best approach IMO. I think the developer should just port it to C++ instead as KHTML uses C++ when it was written for UNIX. In the current version, the browser doesn't support wheel-scrolling, which can get really annoying if the page is huge. Other than that, some customizations/extensions will be great, but the engine of choice is great, I love KHTML too. It's looking like a bright future for the Swift team! xboxrulz
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