kevlar557
Aug 4 2005, 01:27 AM
| | First of all, It's good to be back at Astahost after being away from the internet for ages (-48 credits). Anyway, I have been looking at getting a new motherboard/processor for my computer. I have the mobo picked out, but I'm still debating on the processor. It's between the new Pentium D, or the P4 (LGA 775). I haven't done much research on the D, so I hope that you guys can help me out. |
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wutske
Aug 4 2005, 07:39 AM
It's actualy verry simpel. A Pentium D are 2 Pentium 4 Prescotts on a single die, only difference is that only the P-D EE has hyperthreading enabled. But, you have to know that these chips consume a lot of energy and also radiate a lot of waste energy.
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madcrow
Aug 4 2005, 11:56 AM
Well, persoanlly, I wouldn't go with either chip. AMD makes better CPUs by and large and they're slightly cheaper too. So I'd take a look at a 64-bit AMD CPU rather than any 32-bit CPU.
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cyborgxxi
Aug 4 2005, 12:56 PM
1. AMD is more for hard work. For example, it is a bit more powerful than an Intel but it heats up a lot. You need to reboot your computer more often than an Intel computer does. This was proven with web servers. 2. What's a 64-bit CPU and a 32-bit CPU? 3. AMD is cheaper, yes. Since I am more of a gamer, I would probably get an AMD. But I need to learn more about these CPU components before I buy anything.
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wutske
Aug 4 2005, 01:56 PM
QUOTE (cyborgxxi @ Aug 4 2005, 01:56 PM) 1. AMD is more for hard work. For example, it is a bit more powerful than an Intel but it heats up a lot. You need to reboot your computer more often than an Intel computer does. This was proven with web servers. 2. What's a 64-bit CPU and a 32-bit CPU? 3. AMD is cheaper, yes. Since I am more of a gamer, I would probably get an AMD. But I need to learn more about these CPU components before I buy anything.  1. No, that's not true. Intels run a lot warmer then AMD's. AMD's create about 80-90w heat while Intels even go over 100w (!) of heat (top= 113w). And about rebooting, check tomshardwareguide, the AMD system ran flawlessly while the Intel kept generating problems. Both are stable enough to run almost 24/7. 2. Windows works with 32 bit adressing, this limits the memory it can work with to 4gb. 64bit allow a few terrabytes of memory (even more, petabytes). You'll need a 64bit OS (some linux versions or WinXP64). 3. Google //edit, here are the links for the stress tests. Single Core: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.htmlDual Core: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html
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itachi46
Aug 11 2005, 07:13 AM
actually the pentium D produces more heat than the pentium 4... (obviously since it has 2 cores.) but yes an amd would be a better option
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cyborgxxi
Aug 11 2005, 12:57 PM
QUOTE (wutske) 1. No, that's not true. Intels run a lot warmer then AMD's. AMD's create about 80-90w heat while Intels even go over 100w (!) of heat (top= 113w). And about rebooting, check tomshardwareguide, the AMD system ran flawlessly while the Intel kept generating problems. Both are stable enough to run almost 24/7. I swear... I really read about an AMD and an Intel in two seperate computers that were on for a week or so. The AMD computer had to be rebooted a couple more time than the Intel did. If I'm wrong, either my eyes or brain is deceiving me... Also, what is waste energy? How can it be harmful? Hmm... I don't think I am liking my Pentium 4. It was bought about 4 years ago and maybe it's time to change? My computer has two memory sticks: 1 giga + 256 mega with an Intel Pentium 4, 2.0 GHz CPU. All I changed were memory sticks and the PCI slot cards (like GeForce FX 5700). What's going on? I can't play games as well as some other computers, which has worse system specifications than mine!! o_O
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743422
Aug 11 2005, 03:13 PM
The main reason why computers slow down is because they get "clogged up" as they get old. When there are so many files and folders it takes a long time to search for one. Try going into your c: drive and deleting or uninstalling any files you don't need. Right click on internet explorer and click internet properties. Go to delete cookies and delete tempory internet files (offline files too). This makes a big difference. Tempory internet files are all the copies of files that your computer makes when it downloads something. Then go to start/program files/accessories/ system tools/Disk Cleanup. Let it scan your hard drives and then check tempory internet files, offline files, tempory files, tempory office files, recycle bin, and all other tempory stuff. Finially, defragment your drive. Going into C:/Documents and Settings/-your user-/ and deleting files you don't need ex. files that start with some old program you don't have on your PC anymore helps too.
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cyborgxxi
Aug 11 2005, 03:59 PM
Alright! Cool! You know, I'm not a newbie  I have done everything else previously except defragging my drive. I'll go into safe mode and defrag it because I heard it take a LOT less time that way. Man... I just quit Battlefield 2 because my computer has good specs but it sucks. I dont know why but my computer just stops receiving data from me... and keeps making internal 'beep' sounds everytime I click during that "stop time". ARGH!!
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easy_peasy
Aug 12 2005, 12:04 AM
Amd is the bees knees. It is however amazing how the market share is split considering Intel normaly looses the processor of the year award.... more expensive and not as powerful, it must be the blue man group.
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iGuest
Oct 24 2009, 07:50 PM
AMD vs Intel and waste heat energy
Pentium D Vs Pentium 4
As far as waste heat is concerned, unless it is disabling your system due to excess levels, it is not an issue at all, none, zero, zilch. 90w @ 15% loss of wasted heat vs 100w @ 15% loss of wasted heat means nothing in levels at this range. There is no health issues at all unless it is at such a level your system bursts into flames. The amount of lost BTUs lost is irrelevant unless it is at an amount that can be re harnessed to offset the amount of which is used which, at 90w @ 15% loss will only give you 13.5w and, @ 100w gives you 15w. Again, I am totally confused why 'Waste Heat' or 'Waste Energy' @ these minute numbers are even mentioned as the are in no way relevant.
As far as Intel vs AMD, I now have 14 fairly new and new PCs and Laptops. I'm not sure what most people are doing with their computers but, we do everything from heavy CAD and business to graphics and gaming. With the newer Intel and AMD processors that we have in our unit, and we have them all, with all the hype about the new Intel or, all the Hype about the new 64 AMDs, we have noticed BOTH companies have gotten their act together and BOTH make great processors. We have never had an issue of running our units 24-7 as long as you are able to regularly have all unnecessary files and junk removed and clean your disk regularly with a system such as the new Norton 360 or equivalent. KEEP UNEEDED FILES OFF THE DRIVE AND CLEAN IT REGULARLY. We never need to reboot unless it is required to complete a download or a removal. We have no problems with gaming online with all the latest games on either the better AMD or Intel. We have no issues working 3-d CAD or using heavy graphics on either AMD or Intel if both are equipped with video graphic cards of the same quality.
The fact of the matter is, no matter who says Intel is the superior or, who says AMD is superior, it is a matter of your own preference. I was told over and over, AMD is the premiere in gaming and Intel is the best for CAD and business. Now that I own them all, Both are more than adequate for any of our functions. We use some AMDs for CAD and business and, we have some Intels running gaming and vise-versa and, IF they have the proper video cards and the systems are configured correctly, either should work as well as the other.
Most persons that have an absolute opinion that AMD is the very best and there isn't a Intel that can match it, or that other person that swears to you they only an Intel should be used for your PC or laptop, there is a good chance they haven't owned a great deal of computers and, if they tell you,' sure I had a PC with the other processor and that's why I switched ', then they just ended up getting a AMD or an Intel that may have been a lemon or, the bigger chance is that they are not comparing apples to apples. They did not have the equivalent processor or video card or other computer applications that were equal in both units. Maybe they had a lower class AMD processor compared to a higher end Intel or verse-visa. The newer upper end Intel as well as the newer upper end AMD BOTH are great processors and all those that talk about 'who's processor is the end all of all processors' most likely has never owned a great deal of equivalent PCs at the same time to make a fully accurate statement.
Trust your gut and don't skimp on a cheaper processor and then MAKE SURE ALL parts and pieces are fully compatible and, make sure you get the proper RAM and video card for the application you intend to use it for. This way you won't go wrong (aside of the occasional defective unit). Avoid trying to figure out who is best, it is far more of an issue of setting the system set up in the most advantageous way to gain the maximum performance from all those parts working in unison. Hopefully this makes sense to you and, I wish you the best in your endeavours.
-reply by Erik McMillan
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iGuest
Sep 26 2009, 12:12 AM
All the times I had an AMD it over heated like cazy but my Intels never over heated. Therefore, Personally I would got with the Intel even if you are a gamer.
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iGuest
Jul 27 2008, 10:55 PM
AMD Vs Pentium
Pentium D Vs Pentium 4
Well we can all aruge about the performance of certail CPUs. In my knowledge Intel can be clooked vs Amd is more difficult and not as convienant.
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iGuest
Feb 14 2008, 04:18 PM
I have found AMD to run cooler and is a bit cheaper, however it usually does not have as large a clock speed as an intel processor. However clock speed is not crucial anymore because of dual and Quad core processors. Intel tends to have more L2 Cache which is great, however AMD has less L2 cache and is cheaper, other than that, now adays they are pretty much the same, except for AMD being a bit cooler.
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moonwitch
Sep 1 2005, 02:51 PM
I currently have an AMD Athlon 64 3400+. While my computer does heat up more than my old one (which was an IBM Thinkpad 390E Laptop PII 333MHz etc so it's kinda normal LOL), my CPU stays fairly stable qua temperature at 50°C. The highest it has ever gotten was 57°C, but I blame that on a higher room temperature of 39°C. As far as AMD requiring a reboot more than Intel CPU's, I think that's just plain not true. I achieve uptimes of a week or more. I am forced to reboot due to windows getting all funky. In Linux I have gone over 3 months, this was on an AMD Duron 950MHz CPU. I have used both Intel CPU's and AMD. Personally I prefer AMD over anything, even if it's just for simple applications. I do use Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver and Flash (something PS and DW with ImageReady together without any issues). Personally I would jump to AMD and skip the intel CPU's all together.
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